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Spring Wagon Gear Rebuild | A Wheelwrights Job | Engels Coach Shop

Spring Wagon Gear Rebuild | A Wheelwrights Job | Engels Coach Shop

The majority of what I do here at Engels coach is to restore old carriages So it’s not uncommon that I get parts and pieces and old rusty remains and I’m asked to put them back together again This is the remains of a spring wagon undercarriage. So this video is going to show me taking it apart Sandblasting cleaning it up and putting it back together again Now there is a difference between preservation and restoration. Most of the time I’m involved in restoration. Preservation would be if I were just to stabilize it and preserve it in the condition that it is in when it comes in the restoration is I’m going to take it apart clean it up and attempt to bring it back to the condition that it was like when it was new so My goal is to completely disassemble every little part and piece I’ll run all the steel through the sandblaster will sand the wood if it is good and reusable, replace what’s necessary and then reassemble it getting it ready for the final paint job. Now there’s a unique thing about Springs once you get them cleaned up On one side of the center hole where the bolt goes usually is a mark similar to a touch mark of a blacksmith. This one happens to be a small square similar to like a Robertson Drive screw So when these Springs were rolled and matched up initially they were marked on one side of the center hole This allows us to tell which direction these springs go, so they go back to the original placement. And then before reassembly, I recoat between the leaves to prevent the rust from occurring again on this freshly sandblasted steel. I’m not going to do all the steel because it’ll all get primed when it’s all finished assembled. This is just to prevent the rust accumulating in the areas that the new primer cannot reach. Now the rest of the undercarriage I’ll disassemble. These are the reach’s and the fifth wheel head block and When I finally get everything apart and sandblasted I lay it out so that I know where every part and piece goes. Now there was another box of assorted miscellaneous hardware that was brought in that all fits to this undercarriage This becomes a puzzle of where does it go? So I’m going to run it through the sandblaster and I’ve done enough of these that I generally can figure out the puzzle So this is what I spend a lot of my time doing. Cleaning up and putting puzzles back together. Once again, thanks for watching

100 comments on “Spring Wagon Gear Rebuild | A Wheelwrights Job | Engels Coach Shop

  1. Another wonderful video ECS 🙂 I wonder , how long will one of your restorations last ? I mean to ask, have you ever gotten any for a second restoration because of normal wear ? And how does one of your restorations compare to how long the original product lasted ?
    Thanks for sharing,sincerely ………………

  2. Satisfying work. To have knowledge of All parts fit and purpose is sublime, when some struggle to change a lightbulb.
    September 22, '18. Would make a good ride into Farm Aid, and a small amount of support in the back.

  3. Hi:
    You are solving another old wreck and making it new again. I was a little surprised that you took the springs. I was glad to see you spray some kind of paint on the springs. Did I see more parts of the wagon? Are you also working on the wheels? You always do great work an thank youfor sharing.

  4. That was great to see all those parts come off and go back on. I look forward to your videos. Regards from New Orleans. When I was a small child my Dad was friends with the last wheelwright in town, Mr Red. It’s all gone many years ago. He had an apprentice but he is gone too. The old shop and Mr Red’s house is still there with what looks like a tyre setting machine in the front garden as yard art.

  5. Ever try vinegar to remove rust? You have to let it sit in the vinegar 12 to 24 hours unless you have vinegar great then 5% and when removed put directly in water and scrubbed down. Your videos are great thanks for doing them and sharing.

  6. Always an interesting, relaxing, educational video, Mr. Engel. Thank you for sharing. Though I believe those are "Robertson" square drives you're referring to. 🙂

  7. As always very fascinating. I have learned to develop a lot of patients doing wood work and it appears yours is also well developed. You keep videoing and i'll keep watching. Thanks again Dave.

  8. Is Richardson related to Robertson? 😉

    If only you were as perfect as so many YouTube critics expect you to be.

    Love the restoration. Now I need to search for pictures of a spring buggy to be able to understand how it all works.

  9. Dave, another fine example of your patience, knowledge and talent. If you were to venture a guess approximately what year would you put on this wagon? It amazes me that parts of our history have existed this long and you are a big part of preserving them for our future generations. As always, thanks for taking the time to share on my favorite youtube channel. Be safe. Bob

  10. Its Always something huh, I've always found it easier to reasemble something that's been disassembled by another verses try to complete a build started by another that was not competent enough to do the job. It's normal to do another tear down just to do it right the 2nd time.
    Yes experience always shines through just by looking at the complete job….. Thanks for sharing. True useful woodworking That's done for a purpose..

  11. Outstanding. Must be satisfying to look back at the end of the day and see what has been accomplished. Thanks for taking us along.

  12. i usually paint any metal parts anywhere I can get fully with an enamel paint after I heat them, usually with a propane torch to remove any oils that got into pors. heat lamps and wood stoves make great heating surfaces to getting paint to dry. Paint on metal just flows better.

    Wood pieces I would brush or cover with two coats of linseed oil, let dry , then paint or varnish with an oil base paint myself.

  13. First of all ty so much for sharing you knowledge i love seeing this stuff… Second tho im not quite sure i understood the chassis the 2 long springs threw me and chance you could explain eh thought behind the design? cheers

  14. In Japan, the Masters of their individual trades are recognized and known as "National Treasures". You Sir, would fit very comfortably with that designation.

  15. How old do you think this wagon could be? The fabrication looks pretty modern to my eyes, but then again, I was born in Eastern Europe where we still had lots of 1950s technology being used in the 1990s, so my idea of what's modern is somewhat warped.

  16. I suppose you're not going to disassemble again before applying paint to the wood? Or did you coat the insides of the wood as well?

  17. You are true craftsman as you actually restore to the original condition, a lot of youtubers just take things apart clean them and paint them thinking they are restoring, but they are just making them pretty any thing worn is still worn. What do you prefer restoring jigsaw puzzles like this wagon or mass production of twelve Spanish Cannon wagon wheels?

  18. How long time does such a restauration job take?
    What are we looking at price wise (rough ball park)?
    Who is your typical customers, Private, museums, organizations?

  19. Question about your use of wrenches. I notice many times you use and adjustable wrench vs a common open end wrench and I have yet to see you use a socket wrench. Is there any explanation for this? Just curious. Many thanks for sharing all you do with us.

  20. It's always a pleasure to watch you working on these object, your experience and know how shows through so brilliantly.
    A few questions,
    How old is this buggy?
    This mix of half and half of wood/steel frame, how common is it? When and for what specific did it come about?
    How did they prep the surface between wood and steel? Were the steel springs never greased when assembled?
    Are the wheel shafts glued to the wooden member, is that adhesive (white) showing up between shaft and wood member at 12:44? Or felt?

    Thank you so much for sharing!

  21. Hi, Yei another loveable video of chraftmanship from bygone days, thanks for taking us back in time, a good old handmade thumbs up to you, all the best to you and yours.

  22. I’ve mentioned it before, I really enjoy seeing the evolution from wagons/carriages to the Model T Fords I am working on. Sure would like to have access to a sandblaster, it is a real morale booster to watch 100 years of rust disappear. Thanks again for all the work it takes to share your excellent quality videos!

  23. The old timers were an ingenious group of design , builders . Fortunately , we have you to interpret their long forgotten skills. Thank you , sir .

  24. So, what's the difference between a spring wagon and a buck board? Is it the amount of suspension? This looks like it has a lot of suspension.

  25. "Chock full of nuts" job. At least the owner had the hardware and what a relief and wonderful ending for this wagon. So, this job was to fit the complete unit and someone else was painting it or is this getting painted at all?

  26. Personally,I'd coat all those parts with POR15 and then top coat with your choice of spray (within 30 mins). In my experience nothing is as durable as POR15 ,especially on sand blasted steel.

  27. This buggy was purchased new by my great grandfather Matt, he immigrated to the US in 1911, they lived in Michigan for a few years then homesteaded between Columbus and Joliet MT. Uncle Al his son tells the story that he and great grandpa went to Columbus to pick up the buggy, it had been shipped by train, and drove it home. Upon arriving at the ranch grandpa Matt removed the surrey top and threw it in the coulee that they used for a dump. (That will make a neat video when Dave finds or makes a new one)I don't know what year it was but before 1920 I'm sure.
    The buggy sat for most of my life in an old granary on my grandfather's ranch, after he passed dad and I retrieved it and took it in to Dave.
    Dad and I are having Dave restore it for us, it will see some light use for fun and some parades, after we get done fighting over it. 😉

  28. Sand Blasters are the "cat's pajamas", but they use LOTS of air… and require regular maintenance themselves. Have you used glass bead or is it sand? You must have a substantial air compressor… 🙂 🙂 Thanks, Mr. Dave!!

  29. The complexity of those old coaches never stops to surprise.
    They must have been a substantial investment with all that handcrafted
    joinery and forged items.

  30. VERY expensive spring pack in modern day terms. Tapered leaves and a military wrap on the secondary leaf. They knew what they were doing. WOW!–Jeep guy.

  31. Great video Sir, I find it very calming to sit, drink coffee and watch you work on your projects. I know that you use a sand blaster to clean off the rust but have you ever heard of this stuff: https://www.evapo-rust.com ? I watch several metal working you tube channels and they share by it. ( I am not in anyway affiliated with the company) Thank you for posting the videos you make

  32. Mr Dave, assisti os seus 85 vídeos, o senhor é um mestre na carpintaria, na ferraria, na tapeçaria, solda, pintura, o senhor é um grande mestre parabéns sou seu fã.

  33. When it was all apart, it was sand blasted and cleaned, i would of paid extra and had it stained or oiled and all metal parts painted. Seems kind of bizarre to leave it without protection from the elements.

  34. I'm struck by the elegance and beauty of this carriage gear. What a joy to watch how much craftsmanship went into making it.

  35. I’m attracted to the elegance built into these early machines. The combining of wood and steel is fascinating. It must be hard for you to let some of this stuff go when you’re done working on it.

  36. I see you cleaning and painting springs in a lot of videos. Would you forge a spring if it were broken or you needed a duplicate? Are there still spring shops that would make them to order?

  37. 3:18 – Magic Juice!
    11:41 – By now, it's obvious that buggy didn't spend the last 80 years or so on the trash heap behind the barn.

  38. Have you considered using laser type tools to remove the rust, watch these videos to see:-

  39. You need a vibratory cleaner for the bolts and small parts. They do a wonderful job and don't take up your time doing a repetitive, boring job. You can buy them at Harbor Freight or such place, or my son build one a bit larger the what we found at that time so we could clean the bolts and small pieces of the old tractors we restore.

  40. I was literally thinking "You'd be great at jigsaw puzzles, and clearly the sequence is very important" and then 11:38 "Oops, back track" – LOL

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